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12:15 pm: My Savage Breasts
It's official, y'all: my boobs require their own zip code.

There's boob. There's boob-o-rama. And then, apparently, there's me.Collapse )

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From:rosekay
Date:June 14th, 2006 08:37 pm (UTC)
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Omg, bra trauma. (Ok, you will briefly hate me for this), but I only discovered that I'm actually a full B cup embarassingly recently, after spending years convinced that my flatchested!Asian genes would grant me only As, and the exact same "bzuh?" reaction to the whole welded against your breastbone thing for years.

But my two closest friends at college are respectively totally a EE who is she kidding DD and a FF/G, so I've learned much about the hideous adjustment dance and the hi, babies, popping out AGAIN? experience. Places like Victoria's Secret have frequently directed both of them to say, 36 Cs, which is just ridiculous if you see them. The hilarious thing is the FF/G one is actually tiny outside of the boobage (like barely above 5 feet), but also had the whole "omg I must be fat" thing going on until she realized she's actually a 32 G.

They both swear by Intimacy. The bras are pricey, but they basically give you a lifetime warranty of repairs/replacements, so you spend 60-80 and never have to buy another one. You can arrange an appointment and have a private one on one fitting session and consult. They have a lot of very pretty designs and "fashion" bras going from As to H/I in cup size and 27/8 to 56/8 for band size. Apparently the smaller your band size, the bigger the corresponding cup is (like for me, the 28 B has a fuller cup than the 32 B), if that makes sense. So downing your band size might also help out the problem.

Cheer up, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd pay for boobs like yours, but if people like me and people like you could somehow, you know, share the wealth, that would be amazing. Plus, you probably look absolutely fabulous in corsets (where I look like a small tarted up scarecrow)!

Good luck and have fun shopping through all the links on this thread!
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:31 pm (UTC)
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I am in no way biased against the smaller-breasted among us; through posting this, I've learned that bra trauma transcends all boundaries.

They both swear by Intimacy.

Oh my god that sounds cool. But I'd have to get fitted! In an actual store! By a salesperson!

*breaks out in hives*

Okay. They don't have a store in my half of the country (I live in California), so I have an excuse for a while longer.

(But - OMG, free replacements. I would kill for that. I might even fly to Atlanta for that. Hmmmm. I wonder if I could send maygra a line saying, "Coming to Atlanta! To buy a bra! Wanna come?")

if people like me and people like you could somehow, you know, share the wealth, that would be amazing

Yes. Yes, that would be excellent.

*is prepared to be very generous with her cleavage if that technology is ever perfected*
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:36 pm (UTC)
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Good lord; we're incredibly similar, at least in the bra trauma department. I was trying to be a 44DDD, and it turns out I'm actually a 38G. (No wonder my boobs hate me.)

(ironically at a bra store that caters to large, cross-dressing men)

See, now, I would feel much more comfortable going for a fitting in a store like that. Hmmm. Where was this store, exactly? And how did you find it?

I spent so long thinking that I was the only person in the world who couldn't find a good bra, it's nice to be reminded that my problems really aren't that unique.

After posting this, I now realize that the unique woman is the one wearing a bra that actually fits.

*fist of breast solidarity*
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From:siriaeve
Date:June 14th, 2006 08:50 pm (UTC)
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I sympathise with this post so much. I was a D cup by my fifteenth. While all my friends were envying me and wishing that they could have large boobs, I was walking around with hunched shoulders, hating the pain in my back and wishing that I could buy pretty underwear like they could.

Shopping choices where I am (Ireland) are probably even more limited than where you are. A lot of bra models don't go above a C cup, and those that do were large, ugly things in white or beige or black which look bulky under clothing. What's worse, they make you feel so incredibly... unsexed. Neutered. It's hard to feel confident and proud of yourself when you feel restricted to something that looks like it's been cut down from a mental patient's old strait jacket (because we all know that large breasts are dangerous if unleashed!)

The first time I managed to get some lingerie in a different colour was when I went to Rome last week. I found a great place called Tezemis which does cheap (€10-€17), good quality underwear in a myriad of different colours and styles. I bought as many as I could afford, and am so happy that I did. Of course, I would be even happier if I could find some pretty bras without having to take a three hour plane trip. :/ Stupid bra manufacturers.
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC)
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Being a large-breasted teenager SUCKS. I used to hear that, too: "Oh, but you're so lucky!" And...no. Just, no. I still have crappy posture because of all the time I spent hunched over (often while wearing a wrong-sized bra).

Shopping choices where I am (Ireland) are probably even more limited than where you are.

This is most likely true. But you could try Bravissimo! You live on the right side of the Atlantic! (It's sad, by the way, that my fingers automatically typed 'Atlantis' there. Um...not that I have a fixation or anything.) And they have not just nice-sized bras, but strappy tops and things, too!

those that do were large, ugly things in white or beige or black which look bulky under clothing. What's worse, they make you feel so incredibly... unsexed. Neutered. It's hard to feel confident and proud of yourself when you feel restricted to something that looks like it's been cut down from a mental patient's old strait jacket (because we all know that large breasts are dangerous if unleashed!)

OMG YES. I tend to feel that mid-size bras are designed to make the owner feel good about her pretty, pretty breasts, and large-size bras are designed to make the owner feel DEFORMED.

Stupid bra manufacturers.

Totally. *fist of boob solidarity*
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From:anjak_j
Date:June 14th, 2006 08:54 pm (UTC)
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Ugh...buying bras. Nyah! Away away!

Boobs really suck. To all those women out there who are considering surgery - come and take mine. You can have them for free! Seriously...

Bra shopping is high trauma and really something that I despise with a passion. Pretty is non-existant, and you pay the earth for something that looks dismal to support your oversized cleavage...

*sigh*
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 10:37 pm (UTC)
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Bra shopping is high trauma and really something that I despise with a passion. Pretty is non-existant, and you pay the earth for something that looks dismal to support your oversized cleavage...

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes to all those things.

But I now have hope; my next bra-buying experience I at least won't go into it already in despair. I will be bouncing (um, literally, especially if I put it off too long) to the links in these comments, and I will be able to buy pretty bras in my size!

*feels something strangely akin to hope*
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From:jacquez
Date:June 14th, 2006 08:56 pm (UTC)
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pardon me whilst I spam your comments.

I've posted about my boob woes several times in my lj, and thought some folks might be interested in some of the resources (and/or horror stories) mentioned.

http://jacquez.livejournal.com/526833.html
http://jacquez.livejournal.com/527419.html

....there are like two more that I can't find, but those should be fun. :)
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 10:42 pm (UTC)
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Okay. And, see, I totally enjoyed those links (and I've done the coughing thing, too - I even detached some ribs from my sternum once by coughing, and OMG OW OW OW), right up until the point where you said that a band riding up in back is a sure sign of a too large band.

And then I was like, "Oh. So that's why...oh, boobs, why are you so difficult?"

I have just learned Yet Another Thing I Didn't Know About My Boobs.
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From:shayheyred
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:02 pm (UTC)
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At least yours are visible; since I started dieting, mine are apparently in retrograde.
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 10:44 pm (UTC)
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Well, okay, but the bright side of that is that you're tiny! You're down to a size eight, last I heard!

And the other bright side is that you can just sit back and laugh at all of us with our boob issues.

*envies*
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From:moosesal
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:04 pm (UTC)
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Yay for measuring. As horrific as it is, it makes a huge difference. Getting a bra that fits right is a wonderful thing. Wonderful. I recently dropped a cup size after losing some weight and I was delighted to be back in the land of colors. Of course, when the saleslady helping me asked if I wanted something interesting I said, "No, just beige please." I finally settled on one in pale pink.
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 10:47 pm (UTC)
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Getting a bra that fits right is a wonderful thing.

I'm not sure I've ever worn one that did that. But it's a huge improvement just having bras that come a bit closer to fitting, so I can only imagine the joy that actual fitting must bring you.

Of course, when the saleslady helping me asked if I wanted something interesting I said, "No, just beige please." I finally settled on one in pale pink.

The sad part is, I'd have been like: "YES. ANYTHING. I don't care if I can't wear it under any shirt not made of triple-thick burlap; if it is even remotely interesting, I'll buy it."

Because I remember when my bras came in other colors. And lace. And stuff. Those were great times. Or, okay, overall, they sucked, but at least my breasts looked fabulous.
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From:flambeau
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:20 pm (UTC)
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Bras that fit = happiness. Even with the boring-ness.

Er, sorry to suddenly appear in your comments like this; I clicked on a link and here I was, and the topic of bras that fit is close to my heart. Literally. :)

I wandered into an old-fashioned store a few years back and the shop assistant looked at me, whipped out a measuring tape, looked at me some more, and then yanked me into a changing room and took my old bra off and put a new bra on. The shift from 36D to 32G was, well. I couldn't really breath at first, but my back didn't hurt so much any more.

I even have one reasonably pretty one, with black lace. Unfortunately the tag's all washed out, or I'd pimp the brand. :) But I hope you find good stuff!
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 10:52 pm (UTC)
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Er, sorry to suddenly appear in your comments like this; I clicked on a link and here I was, and the topic of bras that fit is close to my heart. Literally.

*waves*

(Um. It occurs to me to ask - you do know that thefourthvine = littera_abactor, right? Because in my other identity, I've suddenly showed up in your comments. On, um, quite a number of occasions. Turnabout is extremely fair play.)

I wandered into an old-fashioned store a few years back and the shop assistant looked at me, whipped out a measuring tape, looked at me some more, and then yanked me into a changing room and took my old bra off and put a new bra on. The shift from 36D to 32G was, well. I couldn't really breath at first, but my back didn't hurt so much any more.

Okay, see, I've been avoiding the whole concept of a bra fitting for...pretty much my whole adult life. My mother skunked me into having one when I was totally not ready (I was ELEVEN. I was still in denial about even having secondary sex characteristics), and being felt up by two salesladies made me deeply, deeply unhappy. So I'm kind of terrified of going to an actual store where someone might come at me with a tape and then stuff me into a bra OMG.

But on the other hand...a bra that fits. It'd be worth overcoming a phobia for that.
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From:ginalin
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:20 pm (UTC)
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I wear a 44 DDD and you CAN find pretty bras in that size. Even up to a size 52 G. When I was done nursing I got a 44G in pink lace. (took things a while to go back to their usual bigness)

Goddess Bras are all quite pretty.
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 10:57 pm (UTC)
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Goddess Bras are all quite pretty.

Wow, they really are.

And I can't believe you found a G-cup bra in pink lace. I (apparently) wear a 38G, and I could not find pink lace to save my soul. (Or, at least, I couldn't before. With the links in this thread, I'm hoping to have pretty, pretty breasts before much longer.)
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From:jenni_the_odd
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
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Bra shopping makes me want to cry. For years now I've just given up entirely and resorted to wearing tank tops with built-in shelf bras under all my clothes. Almost no support AND an extra layer (I live in Houston, where it is ridiculously hot and humid for much of the year), but it spares me having to attempt lingerie buying.
I could probably find bras in my size. But due to how my abundance of fat is distributed on my frustratingly large frame, they don't fit right. If I want a bra to stay in place, it has to be a longline bra. Which they most decidedly do NOT make in a size that accomodates my boobs and stomach all at once.

Tank tops for me. *sadface*
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 14th, 2006 11:04 pm (UTC)
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Okay, I used to live in Albuquerque, and I cannot imagine living in Houston and wearing an extra layer. Wow.

And do not despair! The comments here are full of links to places you can get bras in all manner of sizes. (They even have longline ones in my ludicrous size. And, seriously, a world where I can get a longline bra is a world where you can, too. You can even send stuff back to figleaves.com until you find something that fits!)

Good god. I'm like one of those people that suddenly finds religion and can't shut up about it. Except I'm proselytizing for bra stores.
Um. Sorry. Can't help myself; I'm just that enthusiastic about the prospect of bras that fit.)

(But! Seriously! Try! Because...wow, shelf bras are really not supportive, and an extra layer in Houston in the summer is just...a very special torture.)
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From:z_rayne
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:33 pm (UTC)
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I'm currently cheating with a 40DD when I really need a 38DDD, but I like my stretchy knit Just My Size bras and they only go up to DD. Still, my seam is almost flush with my breastbone; it totally is when I'm freshly adjusted and haven't been slouching and typing for a couple of hours. *g*

When I was nursing, though? OMG. 38I. Can you imagine trying to find a nursing bra in 38I? Talk about supported by girders and made of kevlar.... I felt like I was carrying a pair of gallon milk jugs on my chest.

Did the site you went to also explain the lettering thing? Like how DD is actually E and DDD is actually F? Which is unbelievably stupid, but there you go.

BTW, thank you for posting about this, because I've now bookmarked loads of resources.
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 15th, 2006 04:58 am (UTC)
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Talk about supported by girders and made of kevlar.... I felt like I was carrying a pair of gallon milk jugs on my chest.

Well, you kind of were.

Did the site you went to also explain the lettering thing? Like how DD is actually E and DDD is actually F? Which is unbelievably stupid, but there you go.

I pretty much had that, but, uh, I still don't get the difference between UK and US, and also some US manufacturers, like Lane Bryant, seem to have different lettering systems than others.

BRAS SHOULD NOT BE THIS COMPLICATED. No wonder nearly every woman in this thread is wearing (or until recently was wearing) the wrong size.

BTW, thank you for posting about this, because I've now bookmarked loads of resources.

It has totally made my day seeing how many fabulous places there are that have stuff for the big-boobied. (And, wow. Sad that I'm this excited over the prospect of a bra that fits. But some of them are pretty, too!)

*excited anyway*
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From:jessicamariek
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC)

WORDY MCWORDESON

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You, my friend, rule. (Erm, here from metaquotes, not just some stalker...yeah.)
*glares at own 36DDs*
I was 15 the last time I bought something for these girls that wasn't black, white, or beige. I wanna wear pink frillies again, dammit!
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From:squeeful
Date:June 14th, 2006 11:46 pm (UTC)

Re: WORDY MCWORDESON

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Check out the links in some of the comments. If I can find pink frillies up to a J cup, you can find a world of pretties in DDs.
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From:banshea
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:45 pm (UTC)
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This webcomic is actually a fairly handy resource for big-boobed women. The author's been collecting links to bra sites and boob support communities (er, no pun intended).

Personally, having been the recipient of pet names like "flatchested bitch" and "swizzle stick" during my formative years, I'm now overjoyed to actually have to put effort into bra shopping.

Now, though, my problem is blouses. I'm fairly thin, and with actual tits attached? Either I'm wearing a circus tent or I'm putting on involuntary strip shows every few minutes (that is, until my buttons finally go on strike about a half-hour later).

And I'm going to do my best to avoid getting into the swimsuit rant. Or the cute backless shirt rant. Although I suppose the former could be summarized with the following exchange:

Boyfriend: That's cute, you should get that.
Me: No. I'd break it.
BF: Huh?
Me: I'd break it. I'd put it on, step, bounce, and then it would cry out in pain as the force of my chest causes it to shatter.
BF: Oh. Can I watch?
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From:jacquez
Date:June 14th, 2006 11:52 pm (UTC)
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boobies + blouses = hate.

You can buy from a place like Bravissimo that does cut-to-accommodate-boobs shirts, but even so, for a lot of women, that's not quite enough.

My solution is to wear a snug-fitting stretch camisole underneath a blouse or cardigan, which I button under my boobs (so I don't have to get an XXL to go over them, when my waist/shoulders are a M/L). This gives a v-neck effect on top (making my boobs look a bit smaller) and defines my waist, and no peep shows or tents in sight.
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From:wychwood
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:45 pm (UTC)
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littera_abactor, how are you so awesome? *g*

I had a somewhat similar experience to this a year or so back, when I got myself measured; I'd been wearing, basically, 40B, and was reasonably happy with that. She measured me, however, and announced that I was a 42DD, but I was all "you LIE, creepy bra lady!" and ignored it.

Then I had them measured again, a few months later, and alas, it was true.

Being larger band size, too, means that in my local shops I end up wearing huge giant harnessy things. I do have one bra I adore, which is (I strongly suspect) a maternity bra; it's got, like, side panels, and practically girders, and is the most comfortable support garment I've ever worn. It is about as sexy as a pair of pillowcases (which it closely resembles, in fact), but omg, so nice.

The links here are awesome. I'd looked at Bravissima before, but had trouble finding larger band sizes. The Figleaves site looks like something I must try, however. Next time I can't put the shopping trauma off any longer, at least.
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From:guinevere33
Date:June 15th, 2006 12:23 am (UTC)
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OTOH, sometimes the creepy bra ladies DO lie. When I upgraded from a 36C to a 38C, I found that I was still, ahem, bustin' out. I went home, measured myself (thank you, internet) and decided I was a 36D, and proceeded to buy exceedingly comfortable underwear from Victoria's Secret. A year later I went back for something else and was offered a free measurement. "Sure!" I said, since I figured it couldn't hurt to see if things had changed. The lady promptly declared me a 38C :P
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From:clanwilliam
Date:June 14th, 2006 09:53 pm (UTC)
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I got pointed here by a friend, and boy do I feel your pain.

This is absolutely no use to you, but Selfridges in London is marvellous. First time I got fitted there, I went up three to four cup sizes and down two back sizes - I *screamed* when the woman measuring me told me the size. Then she went out and brought back loads of bras and didn't tell me I was silly when I didn't like some because they weren't pretty. (I'm a G cup too.) The next time I went in, I heard a scream from another dressing room.

"Does that happen much?" I asked.

"At least once a week," I was told.

"Oh good, because I did it last time."

There used to be a fantastic brand called Warners - I think they might still exist in the US - who made really nice bras that fitted beautifully, looked pretty and gave you a good shape. And a properly fitting bra is so much more comfortable - you don't really notice that you're wearing one.

Try a big department store - they might have a decent department. And ignore online fitting calculators - one of them tried to tell me I was a 40AA!
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From:littera_abactor
Date:June 15th, 2006 05:12 am (UTC)
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"Oh good, because I did it last time."

That is funny enough to make me want to go to London solely to visit Selfridges.

*thinks*

Well, next time I'm there, I'm definitely going.

And ignore online fitting calculators - one of them tried to tell me I was a 40AA!

One of them told me I was a - well, I forget the band size, but the cup size was C. I was like, "Okay. When I was twelve. Not twelve anymore! And neither are my boobs." But I realized, thanks to the stunning brilliance of jacquez, that it was using the rib cage + five inches method of calculating, because it assumed that we'd be, like, sucking in our gut. (Which leaves me wondering if the women who do that expect to be able to breathe in the resultant bra.) Relaxation is key.
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